My talk with a Muslim (not what I expected...)
Muhammad54 (9:46:31 PM) : holsters, ammo and ak47 accesories
JRF2k (9:46:50 PM) : are you stocked?
JRF2k (9:46:56 PM) : You gots guns?
Muhammad54 (9:46:57 PM) : I go to the range 3 times a week
Muhammad54 (9:47:09 PM) : i hunt in all seasons except duck..
JRF2k (9:47:10 PM) : To learn to kill
Muhammad54 (9:47:16 PM) : no
Muhammad54 (9:47:19 PM) : food
JRF2k (9:47:28 PM) : you eat what you kill
Muhammad54 (9:47:33 PM) : yes
Muhammad54 (9:47:49 PM) : of course
JRF2k (9:47:53 PM) : You dont liike duck?
Muhammad54 (9:48:01 PM) : yes i love duck
Muhammad54 (9:48:07 PM) : I just dont hunt
JRF2k (9:48:46 PM) : Then why do we kill humans if we dont eat
JRF2k (9:48:47 PM) : em
Muhammad54 (9:48:48 PM) : im left handed
JRF2k (9:49:10 PM) : Because we are stupid.....??
Muhammad54 (9:49:12 PM) : because this world is not all good
JRF2k (9:49:27 PM) : what is good...whati is evil
Muhammad54 (9:49:49 PM) : the bible have told us this will not be peace on this earth
JRF2k (9:50:00 PM) : When is murder good and when is it evil?
Muhammad54 (9:50:19 PM) : the commandments is written
JRF2k (9:50:24 PM) : The Bible contersicts itself.
Muhammad54 (9:50:32 PM) : when you must protect your life...
JRF2k (9:50:38 PM) : conterdicsts
Muhammad54 (9:50:48 PM) : yes contradict
Muhammad54 (9:50:51 PM) : yes
JRF2k (9:50:58 PM) : So what do you make of this conterdiction?
JRF2k (9:51:17 PM) : The Bible offers no subpoints...to kill is to sin.
Muhammad54 (9:52:11 PM) : subpoint?
JRF2k (9:52:34 PM) : Yes, it doesn't say it is ok to kill if point a, b, or c is met.
JRF2k (9:52:43 PM) : It says Killing is wrong is all aspects.
Muhammad54 (9:52:54 PM) : sin is bad but is not definte
Muhammad54 (9:53:02 PM) : it is bad to lie
Muhammad54 (9:53:04 PM) : steal
Muhammad54 (9:53:14 PM) : but it is not definite
JRF2k (9:53:15 PM) : You are Muslim....I am, I suppose, Christian, I am to be killed
Muhammad54 (9:53:29 PM) : ???
JRF2k (9:53:31 PM) : I am an infidel
JRF2k (9:53:33 PM) : no?
Muhammad54 (9:53:40 PM) : no
Muhammad54 (9:53:47 PM) : i dont know you
JRF2k (9:53:48 PM) : What does the Koran say?
JRF2k (9:53:54 PM) : you dont know me?
Muhammad54 (9:53:54 PM) : about?
JRF2k (9:53:59 PM) : killin
JRF2k (9:54:02 PM) : killing
JRF2k (9:54:05 PM) : about infidels
Muhammad54 (9:54:11 PM) : to protect land family
JRF2k (9:54:25 PM) : but land belongs to us all
JRF2k (9:54:36 PM) : we are all one family
Muhammad54 (9:54:40 PM) : no man can just ome in your house
JRF2k (9:54:59 PM) : sure they can...they can break in
Muhammad54 (9:55:00 PM) : and take it over
JRF2k (9:55:14 PM) : by force they can take what they want
Muhammad54 (9:55:33 PM) : and you have the power to stop them..
JRF2k (9:55:45 PM) : I do, but I have no guns...
Muhammad54 (9:55:54 PM) : kool
JRF2k (9:56:13 PM) : If they take me by force of gun and rape my wife am kill me and my children...what then?
Muhammad54 (9:56:35 PM) : what do you mean what then
JRF2k (9:56:44 PM) : I am powerless.
JRF2k (9:56:51 PM) : I am to rely on God?
Muhammad54 (9:56:53 PM) : you have right to protect yourself if you wish..
JRF2k (9:57:16 PM) : So I try and protect my family, my land, and I am shot in the head...what now?
Muhammad54 (9:57:22 PM) : god gives you wisdom..
JRF2k (9:57:25 PM) : I am dead and my family sufferens
JRF2k (9:57:28 PM) : suffers
Muhammad54 (9:57:29 PM) : yes
Muhammad54 (9:57:32 PM) : and
JRF2k (9:57:43 PM) : they suffer?
Muhammad54 (9:57:43 PM) : what point are you trying to reach?
JRF2k (9:57:46 PM) : they die
Muhammad54 (9:57:58 PM) : everyone will die
JRF2k (9:58:01 PM) : I don't know 
JRF2k (9:58:17 PM) : So if they die at the gun of a robber, so be it
JRF2k (9:58:27 PM) : if they die by the rapist so be it
Muhammad54 (9:58:28 PM) : yes
Muhammad54 (9:58:32 PM) : yes
Muhammad54 (9:58:50 PM) : but if they kill the rapist
JRF2k (9:58:50 PM) : There is no God.
Muhammad54 (9:58:53 PM) : so be it
Muhammad54 (9:59:03 PM) : and the robber so be it
JRF2k (9:59:11 PM) : A rapist not caught will die the same as a saint.
Muhammad54 (9:59:28 PM) : true
JRF2k (9:59:43 PM) : I guess, I am wondering...where is God?
JRF2k (10:00:26 PM) : Why doesn't God stop it? He has the power yet people are killed for no reason.
Muhammad54 (10:00:31 PM) : That is for you to find... nHe states there is no peace in this world....
Muhammad54 (10:00:39 PM) : bible states this
Muhammad54 (10:00:54 PM) : everyone lives for heaven or herafter
Muhammad54 (10:01:15 PM) : everything have its term...
JRF2k (10:01:20 PM) : A girl, here where I live is stuffed in heating duct, dead and is found a several weeks later...there is no sense in this, no justice, no glory for God.
Muhammad54 (10:01:40 PM) : yes i know
JRF2k (10:02:03 PM) : I am not so sure about the bible or god anymore...maybe they are stories like Santa Cluase
JRF2k (10:02:08 PM) : claus
Muhammad54 (10:02:16 PM) : they never found her killer
Muhammad54 (10:02:24 PM) : true maybe
Muhammad54 (10:02:32 PM) : but its your life...
JRF2k (10:02:38 PM) : yeah
JRF2k (10:02:47 PM) : The dead know it all
Muhammad54 (10:02:57 PM) : the dead knows nothing
JRF2k (10:03:09 PM) : The living know just as much
Muhammad54 (10:03:20 PM) : true
Muhammad54 (10:03:35 PM) : just live a good life
JRF2k (10:03:45 PM) : I expected different from you....
JRF2k (10:03:57 PM) : What of the mistakes of the past
Muhammad54 (10:03:58 PM) : not really as a muslim
JRF2k (10:04:34 PM) : grevious mistakes...mistakes that haunt you in the present
Muhammad54 (10:04:55 PM) : qul yal ayul af kafirun
Muhammad54 (10:04:59 PM) : arabic
JRF2k (10:05:10 PM) : well you better clean it up after the party
Muhammad54 (10:05:22 PM) : you will believe in what you believe, and me in what I believe
JRF2k (10:05:40 PM) : Beautiful.
JRF2k (10:05:51 PM) : Why is it hard for the rest of the world?
Muhammad54 (10:05:59 PM) : some things are not debatable
Muhammad54 (10:06:17 PM) : because there is not enoufgh known facts
JRF2k (10:06:22 PM) : I believe in what I blieve....you belive in what you believe. We are at peace.
Muhammad54 (10:06:36 PM) : because not evryone think the same
JRF2k (10:06:45 PM) : Isn't that ok.
Muhammad54 (10:06:48 PM) : there are people that wake up to war
Muhammad54 (10:06:50 PM) : hunger
Muhammad54 (10:06:52 PM) : grief
JRF2k (10:07:03 PM) : who cares about faith and belief.
Muhammad54 (10:07:12 PM) : there are people that are ignorant
Muhammad54 (10:07:15 PM) : stupid
Muhammad54 (10:07:19 PM) : i care
JRF2k (10:07:33 PM) : If I can offer food to the hugry and peace to the greiving
Muhammad54 (10:07:50 PM) : it means nothing
Muhammad54 (10:07:57 PM) : it will continue
JRF2k (10:08:01 PM) : I see no reason to die in vain.
JRF2k (10:08:20 PM) : this life is all I know..I know nothing before it
JRF2k (10:08:25 PM) : it is all I have
Muhammad54 (10:08:35 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:09:03 PM) : I can cry out to God. I can cry and moan...yet i heard nothing but my own voice.
Muhammad54 (10:09:31 PM) : you will in time
Muhammad54 (10:09:41 PM) : you are having a moment
Muhammad54 (10:09:45 PM) : i been there
JRF2k (10:09:48 PM) : and if I dont?
JRF2k (10:10:21 PM) : then there is something wrong with me
Muhammad54 (10:10:42 PM) : no
JRF2k (10:10:44 PM) : the biggest religious thing...there is something wrong with being human....
Muhammad54 (10:11:22 PM) : human can think
JRF2k (10:11:25 PM) : I am not good enough, spritiual enough, I am deaf to God's word, my heart is harden
Muhammad54 (10:11:42 PM) : so you think...
JRF2k (10:11:50 PM) : Sure I think.
JRF2k (10:12:07 PM) : which I believe is God-giving
JRF2k (10:12:30 PM) : Why is it so wrong to know of good and evil?
Muhammad54 (10:12:30 PM) : thats a human gift
Muhammad54 (10:12:47 PM) : who said its wrong..
JRF2k (10:13:18 PM) : Why else would God put the tree of Knowlege within our grasp and call it wrong to know it?
JRF2k (10:14:02 PM) : Eve took the first step in thinking.
Muhammad54 (10:14:07 PM) : wrong to know it
JRF2k (10:14:43 PM) : she sampled of the apple that gave mankind the knowledge of the GOD(s)
JRF2k (10:15:01 PM) : We were suppose to be dumb and stupid.
Muhammad54 (10:15:10 PM) : are you sure
Muhammad54 (10:15:21 PM) : are was there a proper time
JRF2k (10:15:24 PM) : Of course this is the Christian take....I am not sure of the Koran.
Muhammad54 (10:15:44 PM) : if so what is the course of reaching heaven or paradise?
JRF2k (10:16:24 PM) : I would like to say there is no course...that these souls will return to that which created them
Muhammad54 (10:16:36 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:16:52 PM) : perhaps when we die that's it
JRF2k (10:17:04 PM) : we had our time and we just wink out
JRF2k (10:17:15 PM) : there is a comfort in that
JRF2k (10:17:30 PM) : and there is a fear in that
Muhammad54 (10:17:42 PM) : fear?
JRF2k (10:17:57 PM) : for some I suppose
JRF2k (10:18:38 PM) : If I taken the life of one of your children...do you hold me in contempt? Do you feel like I should be punished?
Muhammad54 (10:18:54 PM) : yes
JRF2k (10:19:00 PM) : If ther is no judgement and I just die, then where is your justice?
Muhammad54 (10:19:47 PM) : justice because your freedom have gone
JRF2k (10:19:57 PM) : We all face death. So if I kill many and die where is the justice?
Muhammad54 (10:20:04 PM) : there is comfort in knowing someone evil is gone
JRF2k (10:20:19 PM) : But I have taken freedom from others who are innocent
Muhammad54 (10:20:31 PM) : that is true
JRF2k (10:20:38 PM) : so killing 100 people, as long as I die is justice?
Muhammad54 (10:20:48 PM) : no
Muhammad54 (10:21:46 PM) : what answer are you seeking?
JRF2k (10:21:54 PM) : For me, it would be simpler to see a buring bush.
Muhammad54 (10:22:22 PM) : are you Christian?
JRF2k (10:22:30 PM) : I am nothing.
Muhammad54 (10:22:36 PM) : oh ok
JRF2k (10:22:43 PM) : I consider myself Agnostic
Muhammad54 (10:22:44 PM) : thats good
Muhammad54 (10:22:51 PM) : ok
Muhammad54 (10:23:03 PM) : your family goes to church?
JRF2k (10:23:17 PM) : I see no proof that God exists yet I am open to proof that it does.
JRF2k (10:23:26 PM) : I grew up Southern Baptist
Muhammad54 (10:23:31 PM) : ok
Muhammad54 (10:23:33 PM) : kool
JRF2k (10:23:36 PM) : my dad is a preacher
JRF2k (10:23:42 PM) : my wife is Catholic
Muhammad54 (10:23:47 PM) : kool
JRF2k (10:24:00 PM) : I seem to be caught in the void.
Muhammad54 (10:24:16 PM) : no
Muhammad54 (10:24:25 PM) : you are going to a moment
JRF2k (10:24:27 PM) : I want to belive, yet there is so much stuff to the contrary
Muhammad54 (10:24:52 PM) : you want answers to things that there are none
Muhammad54 (10:25:08 PM) : you will be alright...
JRF2k (10:25:18 PM) : pretty much I suppose
Muhammad54 (10:25:26 PM) : i been there...
JRF2k (10:25:50 PM) : I would love to know without a doubt that there is "sky-daddy" watching over us
JRF2k (10:26:02 PM) : but the more and more I search the less I find
JRF2k (10:26:42 PM) : I see that we are alone. That there is nothing above us. That, if there there is a creator, he has created and moved on from us.
Muhammad54 (10:27:03 PM) : Ok if people believe there is no god. then there is no reason to be good. Just take what you want. Its nothing after this life...
JRF2k (10:27:30 PM) : And if I die tomorrow, it isn't a big difference.
JRF2k (10:27:43 PM) : I dont belive that.
Muhammad54 (10:27:52 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:28:08 PM) : There is still resson to be good even if there is no higher power.
Muhammad54 (10:28:17 PM) : why?
JRF2k (10:28:21 PM) : There is an inate sense in us to be good.
JRF2k (10:28:32 PM) : To treat others the way we want to be treated.
JRF2k (10:28:46 PM) : why else would this single thing span different cultures
JRF2k (10:29:07 PM) : it is good for the group to treat others well
JRF2k (10:29:20 PM) : it means survival for the group
JRF2k (10:29:52 PM) : if we in a group all out for ourselves we would soon sucumb
JRF2k (10:31:26 PM) : That's why we punish behavior that is against group survival, like murder.
JRF2k (10:32:06 PM) : We are animals.
Muhammad54 (10:32:18 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:33:08 PM) : I just think if there was a God he/she/it would make itself know beyond any doubt that is it know.
Muhammad54 (10:33:36 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:33:58 PM) : As it stands in my short 34 years of live, I have not been given good enough proof that it's there./
JRF2k (10:34:05 PM) : OMG I sound like an atheist!
Muhammad54 (10:34:15 PM) : yes
Muhammad54 (10:34:25 PM) : a moment
Muhammad54 (10:34:35 PM) : everyone does
Muhammad54 (10:34:40 PM) : lil faith
Muhammad54 (10:34:48 PM) : we all have lil faith
JRF2k (10:35:02 PM) : Faith is belief without proof
Muhammad54 (10:35:13 PM) : even when miracles happen, we turned back to our ways
JRF2k (10:35:20 PM) : I can have faith that i will rain tomorrow.
Muhammad54 (10:35:27 PM) : true
JRF2k (10:35:37 PM) : that doesnt mean it'll happen
Muhammad54 (10:35:45 PM) : faith is what keep you going..
Muhammad54 (10:35:50 PM) : true
JRF2k (10:36:09 PM) : I have have faith God will cause my favorite Hockey team to win the Stanley Cup, but will it happen
JRF2k (10:36:32 PM) : I can have faith that God will heal my friend of Cancer but does that mean he/she/it will?
Muhammad54 (10:36:44 PM) : faith dont mean it will happen
JRF2k (10:36:58 PM) : I am sorry to say, that I am all out of faith.
Muhammad54 (10:37:06 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:37:22 PM) : I am relying on reason now.
Muhammad54 (10:37:29 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:37:56 PM) : Where does that leave me? To only look forward to Hell when I die?
Muhammad54 (10:38:21 PM) : no because you dont believe in it
Muhammad54 (10:38:33 PM) : where do you go?
JRF2k (10:38:45 PM) : So when I die I will find myself where I believe myself to be?
Muhammad54 (10:38:46 PM) : whats your belief?
Muhammad54 (10:39:00 PM) : in the ground..
JRF2k (10:39:45 PM) : I would like to believe that we, or I, that which is me, goes on after I lay this mortal coil in the ground, but who's to say
Muhammad54 (10:39:51 PM) : yes because you are creating your own reality
JRF2k (10:40:15 PM) : I may just die. I may just wink out and JRF2k will have only had 70-80 years of life and nothing more
JRF2k (10:41:00 PM) : That's not a Muslim belief is it?
Muhammad54 (10:41:12 PM) : have you ever gone in a room by yourself and pray
Muhammad54 (10:41:22 PM) : no
JRF2k (10:41:43 PM) : What's the point of praying where there is no one listening
Muhammad54 (10:42:10 PM) : ok
JRF2k (10:42:27 PM) : How egotistical it is to think that the Creator or All That Is hears one person in millions.
JRF2k (10:43:15 PM) : I, I, am so important that the Creator of it All actually cares that I am praying to protect my kid from all the ills that is out there in world?
JRF2k (10:44:19 PM) : You know what the the strange thing is...I still pray..almost every night since my daughter was born
JRF2k (10:44:44 PM) : that whateve power that be protects here when I am not there and cannot
Muhammad54 (10:45:23 PM) : kool
JRF2k (10:45:26 PM) : and i think what if something happens to her...then what do I think of this higher power? It didn't protect her like I said, like the bible promised.
JRF2k (10:45:31 PM) : so then what
Muhammad54 (10:46:07 PM) : what did the bible promise?
JRF2k (10:46:22 PM) : As you probably feel, your kid(s) is your life...he/she/them becomes your whole focuse
JRF2k (10:46:44 PM) : that what you pray for and ask in Jesus's name you shall receiev.
Muhammad54 (10:46:53 PM) : but they all will die
JRF2k (10:46:59 PM) : this may be different for muslim
JRF2k (10:47:02 PM) : they will
Muhammad54 (10:47:03 PM) : no one knows the time or place
JRF2k (10:47:14 PM) : by why by a rapist or murderers hand?
Muhammad54 (10:47:25 PM) : no just illness
JRF2k (10:47:45 PM) : so I am just to be content that whatever happens to them is just and the will of Go
JRF2k (10:47:46 PM) : God